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But a group of men got to me first.
First they called me names, fake intimacies, referring to my gender, my body. They lured me to engage, acting as if I’d dropped something. I could have; it was that kind of day and I didn’t have my glasses nor anything on me I could afford to lose. They wanted me to linger and they laughed and watched me twirl around myself: a show for themselves, a game they played. I was the prop.
When I realized what was happening, I called them names. They laughed. I boarded my train.
I felt frazzled but mostly angry. What gave those men the right to screw with me, a random woman? And how was that fair, with five of them and one of me? And why, because I’m a woman, should I be susceptible to such things? And though they struck me as harmless, young men with not enough to do (no, I don't want no scrubs), a teeny part of me was screaming alarm. I was scared because I was vulnerable: Alone, on a dark street, surrounded.
Looking back on it, calmer, I was likely over-reacting. I was in no immediate danger: There was a crowd around the corner and the boy was on the line in the phone in my hand. And I’m no stranger to these stupid cat-calls and heckling that is the sad reality of being a woman. Whistles and inappropriate comments from moving cars are easy to brush off.
But in this new city of mine, for whatever reason, these men want to engage, want me to talk back, and sometimes they get too physically close for comfort and I have to tell them to back off. One of my friends long had to endure a man, yelling at the top of his lungs as she walked by, “I want me some of that p&^%$y!” Over and over. Every. Single. Day.
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But this is my larger point and embarrassing confession: It has changed the way I dress. With riff-raff hanging out on street corners, I’m not going to wear a skirt or dress that shimmies up to my hips as I’m biking, so that they can mess with me when I stop at intersections. I wore pants nearly all summer.
Yes, I live in a city, but I’ve never felt more vulnerable than when walking in the wintery New England woods. So city or country, I’ve just chalked this up to stupid behavior sparked by my gender. And it’s damned unfair.
I know there’s a big emphasis in the blogosphere about dressing for yourself, owning your style, and having the confidence no matter the environment. And I know changing the way you dress because of this sort of discomfort can be seen as negotiating with terrorists, especially since I’m likely not in any real danger. I mean, who gave them the power to dictate what I put on in the morning? But the truth is, I simply don’t want to deal with it.
I’m admitting this now because I’m of two minds about it. Part of me feels I should dress in the way that makes me feel comfortable throughout my day, including dealing with these bozos during my commute. Sewing is clearly important to me, but feeling safe is paramount. Another part of me feels I should dress solely for myself and harden myself to any comments that flashes of femininity inspires.
Many of us embrace our femininity through the clothes we make and wear. I’d love your thoughts on this. Do you have to deal with this where you live? Does your environment change the way you dress?












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ReplyDeletePeople like that enjoy the impact that they're making on their victims so I just walk straight like nothing happens, like they don't exist so they are not satisfied with their humiliation.
ReplyDeleteAfter two occasions when men have touched my breast I started to wear more "closed" clothes because I'm afraid of physical violence. I've heard about woman who got beat up by other women because she wore too "posh" clothes in Moscaw subway, because of envy. I live in Russia, when I lived in New York, I never got in these situations, possibly because i was alwaus cautious with my clothes - nothing too revealing and no diamonds.
Oh honey, what a horrible situation!
ReplyDeleteMy environment does impact the way I dress, but I'm lucky because it's mostly because of the weather not because of complete twats on the streets. I don't commute via public transport and don't have to put up with that kind of behaviour on a regular basis.
I think you're absolutely right, your safety is paramount and comes before fashion. Wearing what makes you feel comfortable comes out of how safe you feel too, so I don't think you should beat yourself up over it. You'll find a happy balance I'm sure.
I'm a big advocate of self defence courses for women, I firmly believe they empower women in just these sorts of situations. Knowing that you have a knowledge of how to fight back, for me, means that I don't feel quite to intimidated. I'm not for one instant suggesting that a physical reaction is the way to go here, but just knowing that (should it come to that) you have information on where to strike and how, I find to be calming. It's always difficult with a gang against one and I think you're best just to completely ignore them, the reaction is what they're after. Any reaction will do, they just want to see they've got under your skin.
I hope you find a solution that works for you x
That is horrible. When I lived in Seattle I used to get harassed quite a bit. And I think it definitely impacted how I dressed. The insults and threats and cat-calling were not the only thing to influence my dress, but they did (they still do) reinforce my tendency to cover myself up well and good!
ReplyDeleteNot that I think that these kind of men choose to harass only women who show a little skin or femininity. Not at all - they harass all comers. So my changing my dress is perhaps just an outside expression of my need for self-protection! If that makes sense :)
Some cities seem to have this behavior more than others. It happened so often in Seattle that I would try my best to just ignore them and not react. But it happens rarely here in France so when it does occur I allow myself to give them a dirty look. But it always makes me angry.
That sounds absolutely awful. Most of those types seem to enjoy dominating in a situation, but some of them really think that we women like that - only because some women/girls DO respond and flirt back sadly.
ReplyDeleteIn Edinburgh, catcalls don't happen very often, unless you obviously and openly invite it. However, I wore knee socks out once with a (not too short) skirt and got called out to 3 times! Needless to say, I haven't worn knee socks since. So I completely understand your desire to dress in a way that discourages that behaviour, however un-fun that outfit may be.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, it always makes me so angry hearing about w*nkers bothering women on the street, especially groups of w*nkers. As I've got older and meaner, it happens far less, and I think I'm better at dealing with it now with patronising humour, outright contempt, but mostly acting oblivious or unaffected. I notice far more silent leering in the UK which I find a bit more creepy than vulgar comments. At work I have to dress quite conservatively anyway but when i'm out I do avoid styles that will attract unwanted attention. My worst experience of unwanted attention in the last couple of years was on a train, by the ticket collector of all people! I was fully covered and looking about as bad as it gets having spent the night with a relative in hospital. I feel like these men somehow sniff out vulnerability so I'm very conscious about not projecting that now. I second the idea of self defence classes, for the confidence boost if nothing else. Chin up, don't let them get to you xx
ReplyDeleteThis sort of experience is very disturbing and unfortunately stays with you for a long time. It's annoying and of course it shouldn't be the way, but if you have to dress differently for the time being to feel safe then that's what I would do too - so perhaps the words wouldn't lead to actions, but better to feel safe than sorry!
ReplyDeleteActually I want to second the idea above of self defence training. And if you ever get into a scary situation don't feel embarrassed to yell out for help from people who might otherwise assume they shouldn't interfere.
i'm sorry that you've had to go through this.
ReplyDeletein my neighborhood i occasionally get catcalls but only every once in awhile does someone do something that actually scares me. most recently it was when i guy in a minivan asked if he could introduce himself and then proceeded to open up his driver's side door and start to step out of his car. flashes of kidnapping ran through my brain so i just said, "no thanks, gotta keep moving" and hurried away as fast as i could.
here, at least, what you wear doesn't seem to dictate whether or not they talk to you. i've gotten whistles and calls all bundled up in my winter gear where is it pretty much impossible to even see what i look like. i think it's primarily a power thing.
i don't know about you but i've found that it's really important to calmly address their comments but always keep moving. be polite and don't ignore them. i am not an outgoing person so my instincts are to ignore but that is a huge mistake. i've been called a bitch for ignoring plenty of times and once someone threw a beer bottled across a street with 4 lanes of traffic and it landed at my feet and shattered. guy had incredible aim. the point is--it's better to engage. it makes you seem less vulnerable.
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Oh, thank you ladies, for your kind and thoughtful responses! I got nervous when I hit publish, but it's heartening to read I'm not alone in feeling this way.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, yes, yes to your comments! I've long considered taking self-defense classes for confidence in such situations and now's a good time as any to start. And yes, @Donna, I agree that these men will holler at any variety of woman, whether dressed as catwoman or a blimp, as @KnottyGnome and @Clare's experiences attest.
Changing the way I dress just makes me feel better, less vulnerable, though I will say I've been wearing skirts and dresses since the weather turned -- more layers, covered legs, less biking.
And as sad as it is that this is a shared experience among women (@MySummerTouch -- I can't even say how upset your experiences would have made me!!), it is fascinating to hear your experiences from your different parts of the globe. Thank you, all.
That is HORRIBLE of them! Oooh, I am so mad right now I wish I could drive down to where you live and bash every wayward young man I see with an umbrella. Or possibly a quarterstaff.
ReplyDeleteI commute via public transit and walk (including boarding at a a fairly seedy train station) and I've never encountered a situation like that here. The odd catcall, sure, but nothing that has made me feel unsafe.
Considering the long coat and covered hair you describe, I don't know that changing how you dress will help---I agree with the others who've said it's more about power than your physical appearance---but I wouldn't feel too bad about considering it. While it sucks that we're judged on our appearance, clothing is also one of the easiest things for us to manipulate. We can't do much about how we're treated based on sex, race, or age, but we can control our clothes and thus influence the reactions we get. Dressing to feel safe out on the street isn't necessarily any worse than dressing professionally for a job interview. It's a matter of whether the drawbacks---not loving what you're wearing, or not feeling like "you"---outweigh the advantages---less harassment.
I think there's some pretty good advice from other people already, so I'm just going to add another ugh, I'm so sorry (and angry!) that you're being treated this way. BLLERGH!
(Oh, while we're sharing stories---the most upsetting harrassment I've ever received, which was not bad compared to many of the stories here but still left me shaking and feeling trapped, was while I was in my car (with my daughter) stopped at a red light. Two guys crossing the street in front of me started making comments, although I couldn't hear what they were saying exactly, and then threw condoms at my windshield. Fortunately they kept on walking, but I felt trapped and very vulnerable. Where can you go when you're stopped at a red light, with a baby in a carseat in the back?)
ReplyDeleteUgh, that sounds like a horrible experience! I really don't get why some people have to gang up and scare others to feel better about themselves. Don't they teach manners nowadays...?
ReplyDeleteI'm very glad that this is something that happens very rarely over here. I get the occasional heavy-handed flirting, wink or catcall from a car, but don't mind too much. Drunk, pub-crawling tourists are a little worse, but are usually silenced with a dirty look. The two strangest things that happened to me in the last year were a guy asking me to go to a party with him and touch my face while on my way to a Hallowe'en party (creepy, but my face was painted green, so I did kinda understand his fascination) and an elderly man at the bus stop, pawing my breast and asking me if I was married while I was leaning forward to read the timetable. (That truly shook me up! He looked at least 70!) I did notice that both didn't have German accents, and in general this seems to happen more with people with migration backgrounds, at least here in Berlin. I haven't yet actually felt unsafe, though, so it hasn't changed the way I dress. If I did, I'm pretty sure I'd make a decision similar to yours, though, Ali!
Keep in mind, even if you know next to no self-defense, screaming into someones ear will make them let you go pretty effectively. Which is a (vaguely disturbing) story that happened about two days after the breast-grabbing man: out of nowhere, a woman came over to me and screamed into my ear before walking away. This left me slack-jawed and with a painfully ringing ear for a solid minute... and is now a rather funny anecdote about weird city people. ;)
I hate stories like this, but I do love this website http://www.ihollaback.org/ It's essentially a movement to protest/stop street harassment of women, you should check it out!
ReplyDeleteHi Ali, thanks for sharing your story. It sounds scary and upsetting. We can be quick to downplay these incidents of harassment but this kind of thing never feels easy to brush off, it's no wonder you're angry.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad to see in your post and from other comments that behaviour like this can impact on how we feel about our style of dress, which I also get and I think I've probably internalised this kind of self-censorship. But it's an interesting subject that I haven't seen on sewing blogs before.
Female dress is always a contested issue, across all kinds of cultures and I think it's very hard to disengage from how your environment dictates you should dress 'properly'.
I don't think there are easy answers but talking about it is a way to get those issues out there, so thanks!
Sadly, I am an extremely modest person. I think part of it has to do with living in a oil boom town as a teenager where men used to follow me around. As a result, I have never been very comfortable being in public wearing shorts or short dresses even though I now live in a place where men rarely do that. And I hate that getting mad at those types usually seems to excite them more, whereas "ignoring" them also takes a huge amount of energy. You might feel a lot more comfortable in pants, but I am not sure it really makes a huge amount of difference. How about a special comunting skirt that has giant appliques that say things like "F**k Off you hairy jerk"
ReplyDeleteI've come out of lurking to encourage you to seek ways to empower yourself, not to self-censor the way you dress. Your blog is wonderful and I really enjoy reading about your projects. I would hate to see you change the way you dress because of fear. I have lived in LA, SF and Chicago and have had many incidents over the years that scared me and forced me to seek self-defense instruction. To dress more modestly will not hinder those that want to victimize you. My worst experience of harassment happened when I was very modestly dressed (ankle length skirt, buttoned up blouse and jacket). Some people actively seek those they can victimize solely by how distracted they are or how they walk. Get educated, be aware of your surroundings at all times, carry pepper spray, and don't hesitate to call the police. It's an unfortunate fact that harassment happens everywhere, even in small towns and it will happen to every woman. The best thing we can do is not to cower and be afraid, but to empower ourselves, educating each other the ways to fight back and stop it.
ReplyDeleteYou might find the true story of the woman in the photo you posted at the top interesting:
ReplyDeletehttp://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44182286/ns/today-today_people/t/subject-american-girl-italy-photo-speaks-out/#.Ttky0krldoY
Sorry, I don't know how to make a link!
Oh, Ali! This is a terrible situation and I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. Is there another way you can go to work that avoids these jerks?
ReplyDeleteSituations like this make me want to make myself as invisible as possible, even though I know that's not the answer. As women, the threat of physical violence is a very real one; almost as if we are conditioned to accept it may happen to us one day. I would absolutely change my style of dress if it granted me a moment's peace from this kind of harassment.
If this is happening at the train station (and I'm assuming it is), I would strongly encourage you to lodge an official complaint with the transit authorities. Under no circumstances is acceptable to have to put up with that sort of behaviour, nor feel that your safety is compromised or in danger in any way.
I would also lodge a complaint with the local police. Who knows, you may be just what they need to be able to act. More than likely they have been harassing other women and are just waiting on that one more report before they can officially act.
Above all, know that you have so many people supporting you from near and far. ((HUGS))
I´m so sorry for what you have to go through, Ali! And I get angry, and frustrated on behalf of you.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with Tanit-Isis that manipulating our looks by the way we dress is pretty much one of the only things we can do to change our appearance, and if that can help you in a practical situation like the one you are describing that´s completely fair.
Now, I live in one of these isolated, little countries up north where people rather stand on the bus for twenty minutes than sit next to you, so I am pretty spared for situations like these. The only times I have experienced anything like that (in Scandinavian countries, that is), is when people are under the influence of one or various substances…
But, both Norway and Sweden have some of the best gender equalities in the world, and I am certain that this fact have a major impact on the way men treat women. And I get so frustrated and angry because things that I take for granted (like walking down the street without getting cat calls), is such a rare commodity in other parts of the world.
And I second Sarah, that we are all supporting you! :-) Hugs
It's a shame that so many women here have commented that we have all been in similar situations. I don;t think it matters what you wear actually, men can just be vile sometimes (as can women, but maybe not in the same way). I live in Beirut and dress quite differently from a lot of people here and so get looked at and i'm sure talked about in the street by both women and men. Ive thought about changing my style but actually i like being different and if they can't handle that how sad for them. I actually sometimes feel quite sorry for these idiots who say shit to us in the street, do they think we will be amused? Or they will pull? How damaged must their egos and minds be if they think this is ok?
ReplyDeleteI just get my headphones on and ignore everyone!
@Tanit-Isis -- What a terrible thing! Goodness, what jerks there are in the world. And I'm sure many women in this city are being treated this way -- I suspect I haven't dealt with this in other cities because there were simply less men on the street. And the fact that there are more men on the street leads me to all sorts of conclusions -- unemployment rate etc.
ReplyDelete@Sigrid -- Ha! I love it. That would be the most fun sewing project EVER.
@paisleyapron -- Great to hear from you and you're absolutely right. Actually, having us all talk about this issue has emboldened me. I do carry pepper spray and I should check out the hollaback link from @Molly. And yes, that first photo, isn't it lovely? Surely, she's surrounded but it doesn't feel threatening. I included it first because everything else felt so negative. Interesting though, in the article she mentions that many men were out of work at the time.
@Solvi -- Fascinating about gender equality. I think where we are geographically and culturally (either coalescing or clashing) can definitely play a role. In other cities, I've experienced different types of harassment and this has been the most obvious. I suspect some don't even see it that way, but I, as a general rule, don't want to talk to strange men I don't know. And I felt totally free from this sort of thing when I lived abroad!
@The Old Fashioned Way -- I feel sorry for them, too, if this is their sport. Headphones are a good idea!
Ali, have you seen the Tough Guise series? It's a little old now, but I think remains a really good series for trying to understanding how masculinity is socially constructed the way it is (and how it has changed). I think there's a particularly pertinent point about how as women have increasingly challenged male dominance, there has also been backlash, one of the most basic ways being the way in which women are pushed out of social & symbolic space.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI&feature=related
Changing one's dress in response to negative attention is a knotty issue. Women wearing "revealing" clothes tend to get that kind of attention more often, but "revealing" is culturally determined. A bit of ankle used to be racy. Then there's the fact that covering up defensively is not an assurance of protection, viz. the burqa.
ReplyDeleteWhat works for me is attitude (of which I have plenty!), coupled with knowing the neighbourhood. If there's anyone dodgy around, I tend to think "Just f***ing try something." I think this projects an impression that I'm not worth the bother.
My personal theory it's less about the clothes and more about not appearing nervous or afraid.
My only incident: walking down a major street many years ago in my small city during the summer at around 10:30 pm on a Fri or Sat. Clothes were not revealing. It's busy because it's a popular time to go for a drive, but there are very few pedestrians. Paying attention to my surroundings (this was my neighbourhood), I noticed a man in a car who seemed to be following me and looping around the block. It took a few blocks to be sure because of the traffic. Once I confirmed my suspicion I got pissed off. I walked an extra block to see if he'd come around again. When he did, and he was looking right at me, I pointed at him (didn't know what else to do!). He came to a stop around the corner and rolled the window down to talk to me. Before he could say anything, I asked him what he was doing. He stammered that he thought maybe I needed a ride. I said no and told him quite forcefully to stop following me. I don't think he knew what hit him!
I am so sorry you had this happen to you. I am boiling with rage on your behalf. Ugh.
ReplyDeleteI live in the middle of fields, avoiding town as much as possible, but I don't think that happens here, except maybe when men / boys get drunk. But my 15-year old daughter got a fright at the weekend when she was in London - she had been at a concert and was texting her dad to come and meet her to go home in safety when she was approached by a man who said she had been "giving him the eye" and started "admiring" her. She ran straight back into the music venue and told a security guy, who stood with her til her dad arrived. But it was a real shock to her.. and me... and her dad!
Poor thing! To be honest, I don't think it matters what you are wearing. They tend target youngsters (who they think won't tell em to feck off) and a lot of it is wrong place wrong time. It gets better the older you get!
ReplyDeleteOh hon, that's so shitty. I'm so sorry you went through that horrible experience because of some cowardly to$$ers needing to pick on a young woman alone to make them feel powerful and in control. Their actions were so pathetic that it would have felt cathertic to laugh in their faces, if only that wouldn't have antagonised the situation. It makes me feel incredibly angry that you should now go through this internal debate about how to dress based on the actions of such a bunch of meatheads. But of course I totally understand, feelng vulnerable isn't going to lead to a comfortable commute and feeling safe is the most improtant thing.
ReplyDeleteI have to say, I have had these experiences less and less as I get older. I feel and therefore act way more assured these days, so I really think that it's way more about them picking on younger women who they perceive as less capable of retaliating. AGH!!! So infuriating.
I really don't have anything to add that these wise women haven't already said above, I just want to say that I really feel for you and I wish there was just something I could do to prevent you and all women from these experiences in the future.
Zoe xxx
I am a straight guy,with 2 kids and so on...Not that has anything to do with this topic.I wear a skirt everyday,to work and when im not at work.I am just the same person as if i was wearing jeans.I wear a pair of jeans maybe once a month at most.You should try it some time guys,,then you would know why alot of guys like skirts.And just a FYI,women adopted the skirt from the MALE wardrobe years ago,AND it wasnt until the 1930’s or so until women wore pants on a daily basis. When women first started wearing pants,and they had the risk of being arrest.Do a google search on the history of the skirt.And guys,dont be affraid to go looking for skirts.Go to Goodwill types.Look for pleated skirts.I have many.About 10 or so..And most women like to see a guy in a skirt for a change.As of last night i was in a dept store,i was standing in line at the cash register,and there was a woman behind me and she said,” i really like your skirt” i then said to her,” thanks”.I told her “im tired of only just wearing pants.”she then said “i dont blame you,skirts are much better,you look very nice in yours.(I was in a red and white plaid pleated skirt ,about 3 inches or so above the knee.)" i said, "thx". My view on this topic is not about the feminizing of men, It is about masculinizing of skirt (back to the original form). I think a man in a skirt looks manly, even when wearing pantyhose or leggins when its cold out.I prefer leggins in black or brown.When a women says she wants to wear a pair of "pants" today, society celebrates her right for equality, but when a man says he wants to wear a "skirt", his gender identity is brought into question,and he needs to go to a doctor ! ! Then he would also be called a "CROSS DRESSER",which i find to to degrading and just stupid. No one says a woman is cross dressing when she is wearing "GUY" clothes. No one says that she is a lesbian, because she is wearing jeans.So why do we think of these things of men..?..Sounds "SEXIST" and very hypocritical to me.So it shows that men are not equal to women and women are not equal to men.. I thought we had a equal rights movement years ago ? Rights for who ? Were males included in this ? If so,by using this logic,that “women are equal to men”.,then “men are equal to women”.Females wear alot of guy stuff already.So then men should be able to wear clothes that females wear..and not be called names or pointed at and etc RIGHT ? But why is that ?? When we see a girl wearing guy clothes,we say things like this >, \\"awe,cute” or shes a “tomboy” ,but none of those type of phrases are for men ? I think that it should be a equal for both genders…So guys,wear what YOU want to wear.If you do wear a skirt out in public ("OUT IN PUBLIC".....lol ,that sounds kinda like a devious plot) just be yourself. Dont act goofy or walk different than you would if ya had jeans on.I wear mine everywere i go,Auto parts store,grocery,pay a bill and so on..And i dont feel any awkwardness being in my skirt while in public,actually,feel better wearing a skirt than pants .And a skirt,(as we all have read in these type of blog\') is for COMFORT..and 95 % of guys that wears a skirt ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL....because that is the first thing they do not to relate to,but there are always an exception to every rule,but it is the married/single guy that wears them.And i get people taking picture of me,thats fine.Today i caught a woman taking a picture of me on her cell phone,when saw me looking at her,she just looked back to her cell phone,and not looking up acting like she is doing something else..LOLOLOL..it was a funny thing....Yes,you will get some looks.But from my point of view,MOST people dont really give ya a second look.Your dressing for YOU and not THEM.You only live once..
ReplyDelete(RTSG) Rock The Skirt Guys ! "